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>> sean: thank you we'll have more tomorrow night. as always thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled, the news continues. greta is gonna take it away see you tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. >> greta: it is over, at least part of it is over. seven years after the beginning of the war in iraq, president obama announcing the end of combat operations. >> the president: so tonight i'm announcing the american combat mission in iraq has ended. operation iraqi freedom is over. and the iraqi people now have lead responsibility for the security of their country. this was my pledge to the american people as a candidate for this office. our combat mission is ending. but our commit element to iraq's future isĂș" not. -- our commitment to iraq's future is not. going forward a transitional force will remain with a different mission this afternoon i spoke to former president george w. bush. it is well-known that he and i disagreed about the war from its outset yet, no one can doubt president bush's support four -- for our troops and love of country. there were pa
by a deadly fireball. we're getting this eyewitness view of the destruction. and the u.s. military gets animated. why it's ansforming the japanese/american security treaty into a comic book security line. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> happening right now, an american jailed more th a year is on the verge of heading home. a lawyer for sarah shod says she is set to be freed once her half million dollar bond is paid. her family says she's sick and an iranian prosecutor says that g bailed out. tein she'll have to leave behind h h fiance shane bauer and her friend josh fattal t. three have been jailed since july 31 of lastary. allegedly they strayed across iran aqi border into duri a hike. ey are accused in iran of being u.s. spies. the family's website says that sarah has been mostly held in confinement. given hour a day to visit her fiance. she could be hours from freedom but her bail hasn't been posted yet. reza sayah is monitoring the situation. st?t is the la >> reporter: well, the latest according to the lawyer representing sarah shourd is hat she is in iranian custody bec
as the u.s. military forges ahead in the final wave of the surgery. jason carroll shows us how one soldier is making the last few preparations before his mission gets under way in the ongoing series "a soldier's story." >> the a.m. fix blog is up and running. we want to hear from you. also, you can send us your pictures and video if you've been affected at all by hurricane earl. go to cnn.com/amfix. >>> it is big, bad and bearing down on the outer banks of north carolina. the radar tells us the story. hurricane earl, a real powerhouse now. it's back to high speed, 145 miles an hour. that is a category four storm, folks. and the center of this monster could come dangerously close to the carolina coast by midnight tonight. >> right now, hurricane warnings and watches are in effect for north carolina to delaware. and as far north as massachusetts. in fact, president obama already signing a disaster declaration for north carolina in case earl continues to track to the west, bringing it closer to the coast. and of course, earl making a lot of people nervous this morning, because if the system d
lawmaker who told us that the threat from so-called terror babies is real and former government agents could back it up. weeks later no, evidence from her but plenty of complaints we blindside her with questions she was unprepared. blindside, her word. you got the tape so you can judge for yourself. we'll show it to you. we're keeping them honest. >>> also, raw politics. tea party sensation christine o'donnell is warning her supporters against smears in the media but she could soon be facing questions from the from reporters but federal prosecutors. we'll explain why ahead. >>> later, crime and punishment. the other night, jeffrey toobin called it the most heinous crime he's known. the connecticut home invasion murders that left a mother and her two daughters dead and two men on trial for their lives. tonight, who are the accused? >>> we begin "keeping them honest" with a texas lawmaker who continues to spread fear about so-called terror babies. in case you haven't heard the terry baby here tory, it's a belief that pregnant middle eastern women are coming here on tourist visas, having
this be it? show us your pictures. bill: let's hope this is not it. see you tomorrow, bye bye. jenna: hi everybody, hope you're off to a good day so fark i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm off to a good day. i'm jon scott, top box, a live look at the white house, president obama meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin nath use hoo, later today, we'll meet with mahmoud abbas, palestinian lead. what.sides are saying about peace in the middle east. jenna: just days after sanctions against knot korea, there's word the rogue nation has made a direct move to evade them. what the north is accused of doing. jon in the bottom box, the power of sarah palin, she backed joe miller in alaska's senate primary race and the virtual unknown candidate took down the incumbent. what does it mean for palin's political future? we're right here in the fox newsroom, breaking news coming in from across the country, our domestic desk, watching local news, our world desk watching events around the globe and our media deck, bringing you event sos we can watch it immediately. jen earl is prompting evacuation orders, folks
and eagerness to come to washington and change washington by new candidates is so useful. >> and remember, the republican revolution in 1994, so he knows how this works. >> yeah, he said lisa murkowski out there in alaska who is running the write-in campaign. he said she essentially is cheating by starting the write-in campaign and makes no secret he wants the ground zero mosque moved, it's not about religious liberty and he says that christine o'donnell will win in delaware. that's his prediction. >> bold predictions. >> that's a big one. >> in the meantime, here are your headlines at this hour. we're about to show you new video from baghdad this morning, iraqis walk up to a pair of deadly car bombs and the explosion torched two different neighborhoods there. 20 people killed. dozens wounded and almost simultaneous blast broke what's been a period of relative calm. >> afghans have to decide whether to accept the beginning of this election, despite modest turnout and evidence of fraud. kept many away from the polls. final results are not expected until late next month. you may remember th
was just given that update. >> whitmore will be our guest and he will let us know about this organization and what they meant by they would soon join their dead relatives in heaven. i will be interviewing him live in moments from now. meantime, after over a year in captivity and a notorious iranian prison, one of three american hikers who lost her way on the iraq-iran border is back in america. she is here in new york will in fact, she just spokey united nations where she maintains her innocence in the uh fair. >> shane and josh do not deserve to be in prison one day longer than i was. we committed no crime, and we are not spies. we in no way intended harm to the government or its people and believe a huge misunderstanding lead to our detention and prolonged imprisonment. >> her fiancee, shane and their friend josh remain in tehran's prison. >>> also in new york city, prap not a coincidence -- perhaps not a coincidence, the iranian president meeting with the secretary general. this week he will be attending meetings at the united nations' general assembly. we go now live to washington wit
>>> tensions running high in europe right now over fears of a possible tror attack and is the u.s. at risk, too? >>> plus, a super soaker. tropical depression number 16 dwumping on a ton of rain on florida right now and then expected to head right up the east coast. >>> bristol palin's ex meets our own lawrence o'donnell. this one you want to see, believe me. >>> good wednesday morning, i'm chris jansing. live from msnbc world headquarters in new york. well, with the potential republican takeover of congress breathing down his neck, a newly energized and clearly fired up president obama is back on the road and he's got an awful lot at stake. this is the barack obama that fired up an electorate and took the white house. >> the prediction among the pundits is, this is going to be a blood letting for democrats. that's what they're saying in washington. we can't let this country fall backwards because the rest of us didn't care enough to fight. the stakes are too high for our country and for your future and i'm going to get throughout and fight as hard as i can and i know you are, too
intrigue on the internal anxiety over the afghanistan war. >>> plus -- >> she quit working for us and worked only for herself. what kind of political admaker turns an opponents head into a giant, floating blimp? you will meet the man. good morning, everyone. i'm savannah guthrie. >> i'm chuck todd. by the way, yesterday was the last day of summer, so why not have reports about the last day of summers. we're about 40 plus days to election day. we're going to begin with another palace intrigue story. that's the bob woodward book. the news is already started to leak out thanks to the "new york times" finding the book in it. in it, some of the battles within the obama administration over the war. vick, it looks like woodward is creating characterable moments about things that have leaked out. >> that's a good way to put it. bob woodward has done it again, you guys. appare apparently, a lot of west wing china got broken. you remember those three-hour strategy sessions in the basement of the west wing last fall. apparently now, it was an administration at odds with it. at one point, the
and philosophy. we thank them all. time now for "ac 360." >>> thanks, larry. thanks for joining us. tonight, nine years after the attacks, why is osama bin laden still out there? why now do we seem more twidivi about an apprehensive over islam than nine years ago? how active a hunt for osama bin laden is it really? the answers might surprise you. >>> one on one with donald trump, he has a way out for the planners of islamic center. his way out is a buyout. they say they're not selling. is he taking no for an answer? stay tuned and hear it as only trump can tell it. >>> that huge gas fire in california. did warnings of a gas leak go unanswered? hear from a man who watched his neighborhood explode, his neighbors die and says none of this had to happen. >>> keeping them honest, with two thing that is haven't changed since the nine years on the attacks of new york and washington and in the heroic skies over pennsylvania. nine years later, we still haven't caught or killed the top leaders of al qaeda and nine years later, the president still has to remind americans that we're at the war against islami
. we cannot depend upon a government that is going bankrupt. it is making us more energetic and we had more volunteers come into the campaign than any other time and it is not bad for fundraising. >>neil: it is interesting on the establishment, not all, but some of the establishment republicans who have lost races to tea partiers like yourself, that is oversimplifying it, but mike castle comes to mind looking at a write in candidacy, and not going quietly into the night. what message is that sending? >>guest: well, liberals have a tough time giving up power. that is the message. we can see that. in both of their actions. and in addition we understand that in order to change the system it is not going to be easy. these folk are not going to lose or leave their power, it will require effort. this is not an election where everything changes at once but the american people, alaska, needs to understand we will have to move forward. >>neil: in the case of senator murkowski, she can keep senior post through the end of her term and the republican party is in the fighting her on that. doesn't s
'll throw us off the island. that's all right. we'll just camp somewhere else. >>> in virginia, the navy is also preparing, ready to move 35 ships at naval station norfolk out of harm's way if necessary. >>> and not knowing what earl will do, people like these boaters are going ahead and making plans as far north as massachusetts. another threat, rip currents. red flags posted along many beaches warning about danger. about 65 people were pulled from the water in virginia beach yesterday. a hurricane couldn't come for a worst time for business that depends on tourism dollars from the labor day weekend. some travelers are starting to cancel hotel reservations ahead of the storm. before we bring in chad myers, i want to show you this video from one of our i-reporters. earl whipped up very strong winds in saint kit's, causing some boats to wash ashore. this was yesterday in saint kits. let's do what we have to do. this is your hurricane headquarters at cnn, and when there is a hurricane, chad is our man on it. chad, what have you got? >> ali, the problem with this storm is that it's not a ca
and the district of columbia. we are spotlighting the hot races. paul steinhauser joining us live from washington, d.c. paul, delaware and, let's say, new hampshire top our list because of what we like to call the tea party factor. >> reporter: you are absolutely right. this last big round of primaries this year, and you've got that kind of crisis going on there on the republican side in the primaries. tea party backed candidates and conservative candidates taking on and gaining strength at the expense of the mainstream republican candidates. long-time did republican candidate mike castle is being challenged by christine o'donnell, backed by the tea party express is gaining strength. this could come down to the wire. this would be a huge victory for the tea party if she wins. in new hampshire, something similar as well. you have the former attorney general up there of new hampshire, kelly ayotte, backed by the establishment republicans, but a guy called oh vid lamontagne, run before up there, he is a conservative and outsider. he is gaining strength. if he wins, another big victory for the tea pa
would be right. that's wrong. we don't have anymore money to spend. a lot of us don't have jobs anymore. this is a much deeper structural problem than obama is willing to accept. that's the number one problem. that's why we haven't had the recovery. joining us to explain it further is former secretary of labor under president clinton, robert rush. he's also chancellor of public policy at berkeley. his book "aftershock" the next economy in america's future will be out in september. secretary rush, do i have that roughly right? we have a confused crisis of confidence with a deep-seeded structural problem in the country? >> i think there is a deep-seeded structural problem. it's not just the business cycle. most people looking at this deep recession, this deep depression have said if you just get businesses and consumers to spend more, we'll be back up to where we should be, but there are deeper problems we are not addre addressing. >> let's talk about the problems. what caused the structural damage in the first place? >> for one people, people have fot had wage increases. if they do have
governor palin for your endorsement, because she got behind us war-weary folks and gave us a boost of encouragement when we needed it, and she was a vote against the politics of personal destruction. >> let's look at the national map to get a sense of how wide the power is, i think, of sarah palin. look at the greens. those are the pray mary picks she picked across the country, and numerically, she had 25 wins and 11 losses and seven no contest. that adds up to almost 50 candidates. when they lose, they can be better help to you next time around because they have nothing to do but help you win the next presidential election. it's sometimes smarter. we will talk about jimmy carter. >> in the new world she can help raise money, and the shocking thing is how much the establishment party has failed to get republicans out to vote. the republican base is turning out with these insurgents now. who established the best turnout model for the republicans, george bush? they had a tremendous ability. >> they were church people too, as well. >> they are not speaking to them. whatever her succes
so we'll get hit from atlantic side then as it goes past us we'll get more of a west wind and we're going get hit from the sound side. so we could really get a double whammy here on the outer banks when it comes to flooding. as you can see you mentioned the beach, the red flags have goern up, they are urging information stay out of the water. i was here 24 hours ago. surf is definitely higher than it was yesterday. rip current is going to be a big risk. overall, contessa, your mentioned the evacuation, a lot of people asking us, it looks like the i-95 corridor eastbound type of event. >> thank you for keeping us in the loop. let's get to bill karins tracking the path of earl. >> this is going over the top of where stefanie is about 24 to 36 hours from now. it's the time frame of when we watch our reporters blowing in the wind. as far as the storm goes still a category 3. a stloormg. going to have wide impacts up and down the coast. this is not the forecast path for a worst case scenario. that would be right along the coastline with the eye of the storm raking up from north caroli
notes. >> bill: the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the tea party vs. the republican establishment. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo once again. last night the tea party flexed its muscles as christine o'donnell in delaware and karl paladino in new york came from far behind to win their respective races. immediately after those victories, left-wing media began viciously attacking both people, pulling up old tape of ms. o'donnell talking about sex and defining mr. paladino as a nut. liberal press put forth that neither could win in the general election. that is what is passing for reporting these days. there is no question that some tea party supported candidates are causing angst against some establishment republicans. karl rove, for example, is not a big fan of ms. o'donnell's. >> there is just a lot of nutty things that she has been saying that doesn't add up to. >> sean: sounds like you don't support her. >> i'm for the republican, but i have got to tell you, we were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the s
? >> luckily, we have cut the barnicle with some chris jansing and mr. dan senor is with us and margaret carlson, bloomberg news political columnist and washington editor of the week, good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> dan, you were in iraq within weeks of the invasion. >> vi day as you said to me earlier. i was underwhelmed by the speech. i thought it was lacking any context about where we go from here. i think the elephant in the room for many iraqis, and for many men and women in our military is will we go back? will we ever have to go back? how do we prevent ever going back? saying we're leaving and the end of it doesn't seem like sufficient. i think there are two scenarios for iraq. one is that it basically shrinks and becomes a glorified province of iran and gets swallowed up by iran or, two, we abandon the iraqis so much and they feel so alone that the only way they can defend themselves is they built an army of saddam proportions something of one former general said to me, a military that not only can play home games but can play away games, too. that is destabi
paul joins us live. >>> and later why pennsylvania's governor is so embarrassed it comes down to this question, how would you feel if you found out government was spying on you, reporting you to local police as a potential threat just because you were taking part in a peaceful protest? it happened in pennsylvania. you won't believe some of the groups that got targeted. environment environmentalists, gays, lesbians, how it happened and who got stuck with the bill. >>> as always keeping them honest with an event that didn't have to happen, the huge egs ploegs in san bruno, california, that incinerated a neighborhood and killed at least four people. we've got new evidence tonight suggesting that this nightmare might have been preventible. the lives lost, the homes destroyed, the explosion and fireball so intense that first responders initially thought a jetliner had crashed. >> we've got multiple houses, we're trying to get close. we have extreme heat. we have possibly several blocks on fire at this time. >> call for fourth alarm for this. looks, it appears we have a plane down i
in crucial november elections took just down the street from us this afternoon to invitational-only town hall style meeting. the make-up of the audience may have been in his favor, mike emanuel said the subject matter had the president on the defensive. >> national bureau of economic research says the recession ended in june 2009 lasting 18 months but did not say economic conditions have been favorable or that the economy returned to operating at normal capacity. with unemployment still at 9.6%, president obama at a town hall meeting on cnbc did not find a reason to celebrate the end of the recession declaration. >> obviously for the millions of people who are still out of work, people who have seen their home values decline. people who are struggling to pay the bills day-to-day, it's still very real for them. >> with a sluggish recovery, there is a fierce debate over extending the bush tax cuts. the administration is pushing for extension of the cuts to the middle class. a growing number of people including connecticut independent senator joseph lieberman say raising taxes on anybody right n
environmental disaster in u.s. history. we're getting a closerook now at the infamous device that what could reveal what caused the disaster back in april. the failed blowout preventer,ist's called, ncuw in federal custody, put on display in new orleans today. chad rogers now with more of the -- first time we've seen it -- out of the water up close, right, chad? oh. >> the first time we get a feeling of how big this thing really is -- really wa when it was down there. the barge bringing up the river. preventer.t the lower marine riser package. they put the kpap on that thing. or at least tried to put the cap on it? i have a picture here. here is the entire blowout p preventer. up there, all the way down. let me get it bigger. these are guys here. one, two, three, three men right there. and so this thing is just so much bigger than you think -- five stories oulr so, it would seem like there. there's the first video images of what we have on shore, on land. people getting video from it, on shore, pictures, sending it back to us. literally, the top of the riser, ca preventerhe blowout capped th
is back on u.s. soil this morning. shourd's companions including her fiance are still being held in iran. the three were detained in july, 2009, along the iran-iraq border. nbc's bureau chief is uniquely here in studio with us. good day. glad to have you. >> reporter: good morning, alex. >> what is the latest you're hear being sarah shourd's arrival in the u.s.? >> reporter: she is back. she was meant to get a direct flight from oman to new york, but apparently all these flights were backed up because of the u.n. general assembly in new york. she had to go via washington. her spokesman was quick to point out that this had nothing to do with the debrief or anything in washington. and she's due in new york a little later today where she is going to give a press conference at about 3:00 local time. >> okay. that means she's got five hours to travel here and get settled in. do you have any idea what she is going to say? particularly based on what she has said? she's been very careful with what she has said so far. >> reporter: and i think she's going to continue being very careful. i'm sure
more than a year in an iranian prison sayro shourd is back in the u.s. following her release last week. shourd was let go after she reportedly found a lump in her breast, but now she says that doctors in oman told her she is physically well. shourd is one of three american hikers detained by iran after they allegedly crossed over the border from iraq in july of 2009. well, today she thanked iran for letting her go, but called on the country to release her fiance shane bauer and their friend josh fattal. shourd's arrival comes as iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad is visit being new york. he's in town for the united nations general assembly session that begins tomorrow. in an interview with abc, ahmadinejad talked about the relieves sarah shourd and said he'd like to see some resipcation from the u.s. >> translator: it's true that the islamic republic of iran took a humanitarian measure and released one of the three individuals who entered our borders, miss sarah shrewd. this was a huge humanitarian gesture. now you may be aware that eight iranians are illegally being detained in the
the counterterrorism pursuit teams. a u.n. official describes them to us as elite forces saying, quote, these are some of the finest afghan fighting forces. they made a major contribution to security there. a pentagon source says there is a level of cooperation between these units and u.s. military forces in that area. he says at a minimum, knowing what units are doing when and where so you don't have friendly firing mistakings. n a former senior official says the units were formed eight years ago, focusing on afghanistan. he said the cia is recruiting people to blend in to afghan's society and do clandestine missions but started to do missions over the border in pakistan. he said that area is tribal and afghans can easily cross back and forth over the border in pakistan. >> what is the risk now that they've been exposed? >> just today, the pakistani spokesman said, quote, we don't have reports of foreign troops operating inside our border, but should it happen, our troops will fire on them. a former counterterrorism official says, you know, one of the afghan force's missions has been to pursue intell
himself. >> come forth and bestow these blessings of hell upon us. >> forced under grounds by the religious hysteria satanism was resurrected first by allison crowley in the 21st century. it entered the modern era about 25 years ago under guidance of a california based high priest a present day devil worshipper. he founded the church of satan now despite the preachings of evil and hate the church and off chutes are constitutionally protected religions. >> i believe that hate is necessary in a controlled way sus as much as love is necessary. >> however sensational the revelations about him might have been -- her in a normal election year to bill crystal and laura ingram the only thing that counts if elected christine o'donnell can be counted on to vote against the obama socialist agenda. to other republicans like karl rover the unconventional path is not helpful. >> this is about what is a winning strategy. there are serious questions that have been raised about ms. o'donnell background character statements and previous actions. >> nobody knew who she was prior to last week.
recognition in alaska. she served as state congresswoman for a few years. her father was a u.s. senator later went on to become the governor of alaska. she was appointed to his senate seat in '02. then reelected by the people in '04. murkowski says she has been hearing a lot from her constituents. people who are not pleased about the primary results that's one of the reasons for her decision as well. >> when those votes came in on the 24th of august, when they were counted, there was nobody that was more disappointed than i was. but since then, things have happened, events have transpired. there has been an outpouring of support from alaskans all over the state. >> reporter: regardless of what happens, it is going to be an uphill battle for her, for sure. the only person in history to get elected to senate as a write-in candidate was strom thurmond that was back in 1954, way before this tea party we are seeing here in america. >> you mentioned uphill battle to say the lost. many in her own party, the republican party are upset over this. >> reporter: absolutely. a lot of feathers have been ru
? >> they have the day off. only reason you're sitting there, my man! >> that's why! >> mike barnicle is with us and so is chris jansing, luckily, to save us from all of this. john heilemann of "new york" magazine and coourge of the juggernaut, that is "game change." isn't that fair to say? >> yeah, it is. >> fascinating. >> i like that "vanity fair" piece that willie keeps calling thick. >> i described it that way when i gave it as a present but nobody described it to me like that when they gave it back. >> mort zuckerman sw us. >> mort is mad at me because i'm going to steal money from him playing poker tonight. >> is this a weekly game you guys have some. >> every couple of weeks. >> every couple of weeks. i cry in between. >> do either of you ever win? >> mort never wins. >> never. >> i have been known to win on occasion. very sporadic occasion. >> is it wise to bet against, say, a mort zuckerman of the world who can sort of push those chips in the middle of the table without much concern for the implications of that move? >> mort does not have a poker face, let's put it that way! >>> we nee
with no name, newt gingrich is with us. welcome back. >> good to be with you. >> sean: nobody wants to be seen with barack obama. nobody wants to be seen with nancy pelosi. more democrats are running ads against health care than for health care this is about a republican civil war, if you listen to the media. >> the news media will do everything it can for the next 47 days to try to talk about anything except 9.6% . -- unemployment. trillions in debt. disaster of the democratic party's health bill. the failure of the democratic either in the gulf of mexico with the bp oil disaster. the elite media will try turn every return right, if republicans are still standing on election day whether it is christine o'donnell or it is angle in nevada or it is rand paul in kentucky or you name it, they are gonna win. and they are gonna win for a simple reason. the obama democrats have been grinding the economy into the dust. leaving americans unemployed. we just had the highest number in poverty released today. i think in years. we have the highest number of -- >> sean: one in seven americans in poverty now
for that political playbook to be handed us from on high from the elite. it may take some renegades going rogue to get us there. it may take folks shaking us up, shaking it up to get there. >> so will the emerging split help democrats this fall? we'll bring in christina belatony. good morning to you, christina. >> good morning, alex. >> what do you make of all that? the republicans are facing a real challenge from the conservative base? >> sure, that has definitely happened. you have seen that play out all summer long. of course, democrats like any split. democrats have plenty of their own splits, but sarah palin is a unique figure in this because she's endorsed very mainstream candidates from senator john mccain against a tea party favorite conservative candidate in j.d. hayworth. then kelly who won in new hampshire. she was the preferred choice there, but the going rogue candidate christina o'donnell has rosen onto the national stage, she's very conservative and democrats think they have a real chance to keep this seat in delaware now because she's far more conservative than the establishment
them. that's how you deal with the problem. there's no more problem then. >> abuhl went on to give us a graphic account of how he murdered his cellmate. >> he was talking about how he was going to strangle this lady. so, i tore up the sheet. and i wrapped it around his head. and i said, you know, you ain't doing nothing. you go say hi to mommy. >> how did he die? >> he kept on breathing. i thought i was doing it wrong because i didn't have the appropriate garrote. a wire garrote. you can actually decapitate someone if you wrap it around their neck and yank on it. you'll actually decapitate them. but the sheet's kind of hard. and i think it was about five minutes of fighting around. and i finally brought it up and he hemorrhaged all over the place. that's when he stopped. then i shoved his handkerchief down his throat to shut him down. >> i'm the first guy that killed a man in this yard, i guess. they still run their mouth back here. they've got little punks running their mouths at me. >> moments after abuhl was placed back in his cell, he was in conflict with the inmate in the neighbo
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